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Written by Aria   
Friday, 13 February 2009 05:48

hottopicW hat an Amazing Proposition?! So, I happened to turn on the television today after a very long hiatus from this wondrous 'boob tube' and there was 'West Wing', a serial political drama that I had never really watched before. The fictitious president of the U.S. was afflicted with M.S. but was willing to show up to debate, in his weakened state, the sanctity of marriage act. I saw a conversation between him and another politician who wanted to 'preserve marriage for man and woman'. The prez said he took an oath to uphold the constitution and in so doing he hopes to give all people the same rights under the law. The politician reminded him about a little conversation they had had over a casual dinner where le prez had said he believed marriage WAS for man and woman. The prez's response was that he was too weak to physically stand, but that he would do his best to keep his oath to the people. Things came up and the television went off and I never saw the end, but it brought to my mind again the whole idea that the greatness of the U.S. of America is based upon a 'wise' and magical document that was drafted years and years ago, called 'The Constitution'. True, its interpretation left groups of people (women, people of color) out of the mix of power for many years, but it certainly served to steer the country in the direction of power. So, I ask...

Is it really a wise move to tamper with the document? Proposition 8 hopes to do so and in so doing, it also optss, quite unfortunately, to exclude groups of citizens from the mix of power and dignity. Here are two celebrities, among many, who have spoken out about Prop 8...

marriage YOU CAN FORGET MY TAXES - Melissa Etheridge ... "Okay. So Prop 8 passed. Alright, I get it. 51% of you think that I am a second class citizen. Alright then. So my wife, uh I mean, roommate? Girlfriend? Special lady friend? You are gonna have to help me here because I am not sure what to call her now. Anyways, she and I are not allowed the same right under the state constitution as any other citizen. Okay, so I am taking that to mean I do not have to pay my state taxes because I am not a full citizen." ... "Okay, cool I don't mean to get too personal here but there is a lot I can do with the extra half a million dollars that I will be keeping instead of handing it over to the state of California. Oh, and I am sure Ellen will be a little excited to keep her bazillion bucks that she pays in taxes too. Wow, come to..." 
- Read the full article at Melissa's Blog

ellendAnd what did Ellen have to say for herself? ... - "There’s a California Proposition on the ballot that’s a little confusing. It’s Proposition 8. It’s called, “The California Marriage Protection Act” -- but don’t let the name fool you. It’s not protecting anyone’s marriage. Not yours. Not mine." 
- Ellen Degeneres  Read Ellen's Blog

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An Amazing Proposition?
Feb 13 2009 13:26:19
An Amazing Proposition?
Feb 13 2009 17:14:20
The hot topics page looks pretty awesome
An Amazing Proposition?
Feb 14 2009 21:11:58
Love is love! Briliant irony!

Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Feb 15 2009 22:31:57
I love the gays too!

and prop 8 passing just seems so unreal to me!
I think they should do a recount!
An Amazing Proposition?
Mar 07 2009 12:38:14
Love sure is love... and I just don't get why love of any form needs to be condemned... just don't get it... Religious songs glorify the need for warring against non-believers and that somehow is sanctioned, but love.. love.. how can love be wrong? Please someone tell me!

Anyhoos.. yep.. deffo love these clips he he he... and yepsis.. ya gotta luv ze gays!

Yesterday I believe it was, vinoverde provided a link to a live stream of the Prop 8 hearings in California.. Ok.. t'was confuzing for lil' ol' me and as Vee pointed out.. yep, that's the way these pro Prop 8-ters got the thing passed, by using confusing upside down language.. ooh life! And the game of politics! What to do?
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 04 2009 12:46:24
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 11 2009 22:57:39
Six out of 50 states now approve marriage for all their citizens... 44 still deny all citizens equal rights. So I wonder why it couldn't be an automatic that as long as each partner of a couple authorises their partner (even by the verbal contract) to be the 'next of kin' so to speak in matters concerning health and finance, that same-sex couples shouldn't have the right to be treated as the primary contact and care-giver for their partner even without benefit of marriage.

I am surprised that people or better societies are not able to learn from the history. They prefer to repeat mistakes, which were done long ago. The area of human rights is good example of not learning from the history. Is not this gay marriage case just an interesting dejavu? Why some people feel a need to discriminate other people if they behave or look a bit different? Are they are not able to recognize that something evil is in their own actions?
Of course in 20 or 30 years they will change their mind, they will even forget that once upon a time they were against the gay marriage for example. However, the history won't forget on that old stain of theirs. That is good.
Re: An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 16 2009 18:09:57
Jera wrote:
Of course in 20 or 30 years they will change their mind, they will even forget that once upon a time they were against the gay marriage for example. However, the history won't forget on that old stain of theirs. That is good.

Hey Jera,
Tammy Etheridge said just about the same in a television interview, that she is sure that in her children's lifetimes there will be no hooplah about gay marriages, and I, for one, am crossing my fingers that this will be true. And it is a shame that we tend to conveniently forget history lessons, but I am grateful that we, at least some of us, live in a time and a place where people can have a choice about how and whom they love and still feel safe enough to contemplate marriage.

I came across a video the other day with a Jamaican fellow who offered advice to a friend on gay marriage. I thought he brought up some very interesting points. ** Warning: Strong Language **

Re: An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 17 2009 01:50:01
This guys is amazing and on point.
Re: An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 17 2009 20:35:49
Thank you for interesting video. I agree with Lowhood that this guy is amazing. Moreover, smart and cute BTW.
I have no doubts that quite soon gay marriage will become legal at least in the west side of the World. However, I do not think that marriage is something what people needs the most no matter if they are straight or gay. Ok if they want a marriage, they should have a right for that. Nevertheless, I can see also certain damage, which will be caused to the gay people with marriage which will consequently make their relations as common as straight relations already are. I think that prohibition always makes things sweeter as they would be if they would not be forbidden. Just MHO.
Re: An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 18 2009 13:08:21
Re: An Amazing Proposition?
Jun 18 2009 19:11:47
He certainly have some valid points about marriage, but I would say that they apply to anyone getting married straight or gay. If you make any sort of committment you should make sure that you do so for the right reasons.

About marriage though, in many places it is a way not just to make a commitment to your spouse but also has a legal aspect. For example here in Sweden, people living together in a relationship are in many ways treated the same by the law as a married couple, and even more so if they have children. But you need to make more provisions in case something happens. For example in regards to house/apartment etc. If a couple is married then the surviving party always have the right to keep living in the house until they decide to move or otherwise, and any part of it that has been left to children etc. will be divided up after noone is living in it. If you are not married and especially if you have not made out a will, that is not the fact. In that case the surviving person might have to sell their home becuase they cannot afford to buy out any children that has inherited a part of the house.

Just to point to another side of the coin...
An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 08 2009 14:00:05
Diane Savino speaking logically and passionately about passing the gay marriage bill in the New York Senate and why she is voting yes to pass the bill

Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 08 2009 19:24:39
Wow, she was fantastic.
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 09 2009 07:23:00
I understand about the preservation of institutions (such as marriage) and how important it is to maintain a status quo. I also understand about rights of citizenship and as far as I know a birthright in a country or naturalisation is all that is required for citizenship. I don't think the term implies exclusion based on whom people love and citizenship rights (such as marriage) should be for all citizens, no?

Diane Savino highlights a comment she made to a man who stuck his head in her car window at a stop light that interestingly enough although she doesn't know this man at all, they have the right to go down to City Hall and get a marriage license without anyone questioning the sanctity of their potential marriage... Very interesting point, me think.

Diane Savino concluded her speech by saying:
So, if there is anything wrong or any threat to the sanctity of marriage in America, it comes from those of us who have the privilege and the right and we have abused it for decades. We have nothing to fear from Tom Duane and Louis. We have nothing to fear from Danny O’Donnell and his partner. We have nothing to fear from people who are committed to each other, who want to share their lives and protect one another in the event of sickness, illness, or death. We have nothing to fear from love and commitment.

Amazing speech! IMHO... Makes me wonder why there is a debate at all. What is to be feared from people wanting to commit to love and protect each other under the law?
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 09 2009 12:19:16
Very good speach, really toned down but hitting point after point. I agree, listening to that speach how could anyone come up with any reason for opposing?

In our case the fear or narrowmindendess resulted in us having two separate laws governing "marriage" for a while depending on whether the two people involved where of opposite sex or the same. The legal rights where about the same (a few differences that where amended over time) but different definitions and two separate laws for the same thing is of course not ideal. Since May this year they changed our "Marriage act" (Äktenskapsbalken) to no longer be defined as being between a man and a woman.

I can't really remember how the debate went when "registrerat partnerskap" was introduced (it was introduced in 1995, so not that long ago). But the main debate this time around was again the different religious groups that had opinions about a lot of things. Since religious institutions can perform the actual ceremony legally here, there was a discussion about whether they should have the right to actually deny certain couples or not.
I would have preferred the solution where the actual legal part is performed in a civil ceremony and for thoose who wish, they could have an additional "blessing" ceremony or something like that in the church of their choice.
End result I believe was that individual clergy has the right to discriminate and choose to not wed a couple of the same sex, but still be allowed to marry other couples.
Certainly far from ideal but at least there is now one single law that governs this sort of legal agreement (marriage) in Sweden.
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 14 2009 14:21:30
OMG. She is truly awesome. I could listen to her all day.
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 14 2009 20:59:45
Eloquently spoken. I love it when a person speaks passionately about his/her convictions. Marriage in the US is a joke at times.... the senator makes some excellent points. I am going to show this to all my family and friends to see if it helps broaden their horizons a bit. I would like to help people see outside of their narrow little box of a world to see that there are people being oppressed and denied rights and why???? because they love someone who looks like them. My sister has been married four times.... where is the sanctity in that? Noone has ever questioned the validity or commitment in either of her four marriages, why is that? But, there are lesbian and gay couples who have been together for many years and their commitment is brought into question almost daily.... ok so I am rambling, but this topic always gets me a little worked up. I welcome any comments or opposing views because I agree 100% with the senator and commend her for voicing herself so eloquently and passionately speaking for those of us in this world who believe that we should be allowed to share our life with whom we please.
Re:An Amazing Proposition?
Dec 16 2009 09:15:06

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